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  1. Back when I was a student at UC Berkeley, the idea of “nuclear-free
    zones” was popular among Berkeley’s political protesters. Actively
    opposing nuclear weapons that could lead to Armageddon was an easy
    way to drum up popular support for anything remotely related to
    nuclear weapons and infrastructure without having to think too hard
    about it. Local opposition is easy to build if you have a bullhorn,
    a clipboard, and some picket signs.

    Many people who graduated from UCB with liberal arts degrees but
    lacked credentials for the best paying technical jobs naturally
    gravitated towards law school. Once there, they learned how to
    effect seemingly durable change and make money at bolstering
    anti-nuclear opposition by baking unassailable barriers into the
    legal system. That still meant you had to understand something
    about science, but again without having to think too hard about it,
    assuming that most people would give up before taking on formidable
    legal barriers.

    Many people who graduated with degrees in science, technology,
    engineering and math (STEM) had learned at least elements of how
    to think about science. This still isn’t included in textbooks,
    but physicist Richard Feynman felt that it was important enough to
    make it the keynote of his 1974 CalTech Commencement Address. This
    address was captured in Feynman’s popular science nonfiction book
    “The Pleasure Of Finding Things Out”.

    In Feynman’s CalTech Commencement Address, he wrote that the most
    important thing to learn about science was how not to fool yourself,
    and not fool other people either. To do science well, you need to
    tell the other people all of the related things that you think you
    know about, including things that might contradict the thing you’re
    trying to say, and to conduct careful experiments that might
    demonstrate the contradiction. If what you’re trying to do is prove
    something that might make you famous, or build your public relations,
    or earn more money, it might be tempting to ignore other things
    that might lead to a contradiction. That would be a mistake, and
    once you do that, you’re no longer doing science. You’re doing
    Cargo Cult Science.

    Fast forward to 2022. It is increasingly difficult to ignore the
    role of atmospheric carbon emissions in causing global climate
    change, so people and organizations who previously benefited from
    ignoring climate change or ignoring other things that might contradict
    what made them famous, are having to face looming realities of
    Nature. The formidable barriers that lawyers and legislatures baked
    into the legal system are making this more difficult. Lumping all
    things nuclear into the same category as civiilization-ending nuclear
    weapons does not help, even as conventional 20th century nuclear
    reactor designs are being replaced by less accident-prone designs
    based on better-understood chemistry and physics and protected with
    safeguards against misusing the reactors and fuel for production
    of weapons.

    I think that people could start making this right by first understanding
    how nuclear reactors work, and that the controlled energy produced
    by modern accident-resistant and properly safeguarded reactors is
    different from the explosive energy and radioactive contamination
    released in nuclear weapons detonations.

    Once people understand how controlled nuclear energy works, they
    could start thinking of renewable and controlled nuclear energies
    less as rivals in a zero-sum funding competition, and more as
    partners in a crucial zero-carbon collaboration in which both
    energies benefit from working together. One example of this
    collaboration would be to allow new safer and more fuel-efficient
    nuclear reactor designs to enter the field, thus compensating for
    variations in intermittent renewable energy sources. Another example
    of this collaboration would be for nuclear energy companies to
    unbundle new energy storage technologies as licensable services,
    such as molten-salt thermal energy buffering to improve reliabililty
    of renewables.

    [Aside: at least one MSR startup, Seaborg Technologies of Denmark,
    is already planning to do this with their molten hydroxide moderator
    technology. URL: https://www.seaborg.com/press-release-hyme ; end
    Aside]

    But why should energy companies spend effort and resources to benefit
    their rivals?

    As Rod points out in this posting, there is an economic key to
    enabling more collaborative energy investments, and that is to phase
    out overly restrictive energy credits (e.g., “Renewable-only energy
    credits”) in favor of a fair system of zero-carbon energy credits
    that enables utilities to more closely follow fluctuations of energy
    demand without penalizing consumers for the utilities’ reliance on
    hydrocarbon-fueled backup power sources. That would require some
    agreement by proponents of both kinds of energies, and some admission
    of culpability on the part of utilities.

    1. Great, nuclear joins the green washing crowd.

      Unless we have nuclear near its should-cost as we did in the 1960’s,
      nuclear power will, continue to be a failure.
      Unless nuclear is below the long run cost of coal,
      it will be too expensive for the developing world.
      Only if nuclear’s electricity is less than 3 cents/kWh,
      do we have shot at H2 that is competitive with gas.
      Only if nuclear’s electricity is less than 2 cents per kWh,
      do we have a shot at H2 based synfuels.

      If nuclear is near its should-cost,
      wind and solar will be relegated to unimportant niche markets.
      I say this as a long time sailor,
      who helped install one of the largest residential PV systems,
      long before they were popular.

    2. “Fast forward to 2022. It is increasingly difficult to ignore the role of atmospheric carbon emissions in causing global climate change, so people and organizations who previously benefited from ignoring climate change or ignoring other things that might contradict
      what made them famous, are having to face looming realities of Nature.”

      Please direct me to the examples of climate change that I should find it difficult to ignore. Perhaps that hurricane that just tore through the FL everglades, which had to be drained to build/farm is an example?

      “One example of this collaboration would be to allow new safer and more fuel-efficient nuclear reactor designs to enter the field, thus compensating for variations in intermittent renewable energy sources.”

      Please explain why you highlight fuel efficiency as a priority, considering that many of the Gen3+ and Gen4 concepts (such as NuScale, and anything with a HALEU pebble bed) do not use less fuel. Using ratio of discharge exposure noted in the Design Certification, NuScale uses 143% more fuel/MW than the existing LWR fleet. Pebble bed fuel with10-20% enrichment discards 20 to 40 tons of depleted uranium for every ton utilized. The liquid fuel and liquid metal cooled designs, arguably Gen1 and Gen3+ respectively, if designed to breed, could indeed make fissile material at a cost well beyond what it costs to enrich feed… a solution looking for a problem (while making new problems).

      “at least one MSR startup, Seaborg Technologies of Denmark, is already planning to do this with their molten hydroxide moderator technology.”

      Simply brilliant! Why not use half reacted alkali metal? Brilliant. Oh, wait. Because it is lye, which turns our bodies into soap and is incredibly corrosive. Next idea.

  2. In my previous comment, “drum up popular support for anything”
    should be “drum up popular support for opposing anything”.

    1. Dunno chris, it’s a slippery slope.

      Are yolu sure “fair markets” are really what we want? Those proposed medium-temperature fission + thermal storage systems typically buffer for only about 12 hours, enough to even the diurnal demand much like The Helms Pumped Storage system used in conjunction with California’s Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant: https://web.archive.org/web/20120102061650/http://www.nwcouncil.org/energy/Wind/meetings/2008/10/ManhoYeung.pdf — see graph page 6.

      Twelve hours peaking demand is hardly the same as trying to buffer a week, say, of relatively calm cloudy weather, and one is left with value of marginal thermal displacement. There it’s one thing to ask intermittant renewables to justify their existence on their value of displacement (marginal cost + social cost of carbon) of fossil generation. It’s quite another to ask of them the same for the (marginal cost + social cost of carbon) of fission generation.

      Are you certain these renewables advocates are up for that level of physical and economic understanding? The alternative is to find productive uses for intermittant power. Sort of like storage, but electricity-powered processes whose capital cost is low enough to justify intermittant operation. Things like water pumping, desalinization, or CCS — if any such were low enough cost. Intermittant renewables are great where we can afford them. But how much demand shifting can society tolerate?

  3. I like this collaboration idea. I think that nuclear power will really get strong political allies when it begins to produce process heat for industry. The Midland project I worked on many years ago was going to do that. Sadly, it morphed into a gas plant.

    Nuclear power has limited political clout. However the political clout will increase at least 10 fold when major industries are directly reliant upon it rather than natural gas.

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